ANTAUS Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 Ford Motor Company ...."BEST-SELLING F-SERIES, VANS LEAD IN Q2; HYBRIDS GROW 56%, EVS UP 61%"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rmc523 Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 Here are JUNE figures. Yikes, it wasn't a pretty month for most models, especially on the SUV side: Are they still having issues getting F-150s and Rangers to dealers? It's surprising to see Ranger down vs. last year with the new model finally arriving. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 EV comparison with GM: And comparison of major truck players: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70 Stang Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 2 hours ago, rmc523 said: Here are JUNE figures. Yikes, it wasn't a pretty month for most models, especially on the SUV side: Are they still having issues getting F-150s and Rangers to dealers? It's surprising to see Ranger down vs. last year with the new model finally arriving. It is surprising to see Ranger down and almost as surprising to see the Canyonrado sales up so much. their increase almost accounts for the Tacoma decrease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted July 3 Author Share Posted July 3 Looks like Lincoln had a pretty good month... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 34 minutes ago, 70 Stang said: It is surprising to see Ranger down and almost as surprising to see the Canyonrado sales up so much. their increase almost accounts for the Tacoma decrease. Yeah, I think it has to be a supply issue - I've seen 2 new Rangers so far - they look good. 11 minutes ago, ANTAUS said: Looks like Lincoln had a pretty good month... Yes, they did, though I think Lincoln sales were low last year for whatever reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseodiaga4 Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 4 hours ago, ANTAUS said: Looks like Lincoln had a pretty good month... Yeah, it has been a good year so far, but they can’t find a way to improve Navi’s sales, decreasing all the months Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 21 hours ago, 70 Stang said: It is surprising to see Ranger down and almost as surprising to see the Canyonrado sales up so much. their increase almost accounts for the Tacoma decrease. Could it be the GM's have a "wow" factor and the Ranger IMO looks dated right out of the box? As for Taco, how many young drivers grew up in a household where the family vehicle was a Toyota? This old guy grew up in a family where the cars, trucks, tractors all had Blue Ovals or Ford in Script on them...and I passed that down to my sons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 On 7/4/2024 at 3:40 AM, 70 Stang said: It is surprising to see Ranger down and almost as surprising to see the Canyonrado sales up so much. their increase almost accounts for the Tacoma decrease. Clearly, GM is getting those truck sales where Ford buyers seem to be pulling back a bit, not sure if this is as simple as not supplying right vehicles in time or perhaps it’s still building an unfavourable mix to fleet. Whatever the reason, GM seems to be powering on…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted July 4 Author Share Posted July 4 Let's not forget that Ford abandoning that segment made customers migrate to GM and Toyota, those consumers are probably on their 2nd Taco/Canyonrado since 2011...good luck trying to get them to return. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 3 hours ago, jpd80 said: Clearly, GM is getting those truck sales where Ford buyers seem to be pulling back a bit, not sure if this is as simple as not supplying right vehicles in time or perhaps it’s still building an unfavourable mix to fleet. Whatever the reason, GM seems to be powering on…. Or it’s because Rangers were unavailable for the last 8 months 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 8 hours ago, Bob Rosadini said: Could it be the GM's have a "wow" factor and the Ranger IMO looks dated right out of the box? I haven't even noticed any of the new GM Twins on the road vs the new Ranger in my area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 3 hours ago, silvrsvt said: I haven't even noticed any of the new GM Twins on the road vs the new Ranger in my area. Just the opposite here..central Mass..but again GM and Ford will have an uphill battle against "yota". In particular the reliability crown-real or imagined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 3 hours ago, silvrsvt said: I haven't even noticed any of the new GM Twins on the road vs the new Ranger in my area. Ditto in Northern Michigan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 (edited) 7 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Or it’s because Rangers were unavailable for the last 8 months I could be wrong on this but, With that lack of availability, it’s possible that buyers turned to something different like Maverick. I was surprised at how close internal dimensions like hip, shoulder room and rear leg room are… Edited July 5 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 On 7/3/2024 at 6:13 PM, joseodiaga4 said: Yeah, it has been a good year so far, but they can’t find a way to improve Navi’s sales, decreasing all the months Escalade is down 13% for the quarter, and 7.6% for the year too. Hopefully it's not a precursor for a downward trend in the market. That said, the new Navigator is right around the corner, so that will help hopefully sooner than later.....I think we're going to see Navi sales decrease/tread water until the new model arrives. 21 hours ago, Bob Rosadini said: Could it be the GM's have a "wow" factor and the Ranger IMO looks dated right out of the box? As for Taco, how many young drivers grew up in a household where the family vehicle was a Toyota? This old guy grew up in a family where the cars, trucks, tractors all had Blue Ovals or Ford in Script on them...and I passed that down to my sons 13 hours ago, silvrsvt said: I haven't even noticed any of the new GM Twins on the road vs the new Ranger in my area. I've seen a few of each on the road (more of the GM twins since it's been out longer, but still not a ton). The GM twins do look good on the road, and Ranger does look good, but maybe not as "modern" as them......that also could mean it'll age better than them, though. 16 hours ago, ANTAUS said: Let's not forget that Ford abandoning that segment made customers migrate to GM and Toyota, those consumers are probably on their 2nd Taco/Canyonrado since 2011...good luck trying to get them to return. Ranger sales were actually good out of the gate in '19 - it was outselling Colorado, IIRC until they basically abandoned it in favor of Bronco. 16 hours ago, jpd80 said: Clearly, GM is getting those truck sales where Ford buyers seem to be pulling back a bit, not sure if this is as simple as not supplying right vehicles in time or perhaps it’s still building an unfavourable mix to fleet. Whatever the reason, GM seems to be powering on…. I think it's more of an inventory issue - can't sell what you don't have. 5 hours ago, jpd80 said: I could be wrong on this but, With that lack of availability, it’s possible that buyers turned to something different like Maverick. I was surprised at how close internal dimensions like hip, shoulder room and rear leg room are… I'll agree that I'd think folks are probably just grabbing a Maverick if it's available vs. waiting for a Ranger. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 Yes, Lincoln posted some good gains. Heavy truck sales are up a bit, but still off for the year. I assume those figures include F53 chassis models as well. Chevy's Silverado medium duty is gaining, and that total does not include the International-branded versions of the same truck. Also, the Chevy totals to not include the Isuzu-supplied LCF's. The Colorado/Canyon mid-size pickups are selling well here, particularly the sporty off-road versions. It's a very nice truck, the most competitive mid-size pickup GM has had in years. The Colorado/Canyon are built it the Wentzville MO. plant that also produces most of the GM full size vans (Navistar builds the cut-aways), so it may be that those Colorado/Canyon sales are at the cost of some van sales. Ford builds the Ranger where the Bronco is built, so you know what is going on there. The Ranger is in a tough place, it looks like GM can out-produce it, the Maverick is stealing some sales, and you have a new Frontier that beats it on price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 (edited) I looked at GM’s quarterly sales figure of 696,000 and that’s an average of 232,000 sales a month. Man that’s a long way in front of Ford’s 170,000 per month average…. So I really wondering what Ford could do in the next six months to improve things… I hear there’s a big price increase coming for updated Aviator, that’s not good…. Edited July 5 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 I wonder how the CDK issue hurt Ford sales? I heard the industry as a whole was effected by 5%...but that could hurt some dealer networks more than others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 On 7/4/2024 at 10:42 AM, Bob Rosadini said: Could it be the GM's have a "wow" factor and the Ranger IMO looks dated right out of the box? As for Taco, how many young drivers grew up in a household where the family vehicle was a Toyota? This old guy grew up in a family where the cars, trucks, tractors all had Blue Ovals or Ford in Script on them...and I passed that down to my sons It does look a bit dated, but I also think ford missed the mark on the design. All the other manufacturers chose to get a bit more aggressive in their design, while the ranger seems to be the “old man’s midsize”. Ford already plays it safe with the f150 and maverick, try something different with the ranger. im guessing sales are low though because of low inventory. I’ve only seen work truck rangers at my dealer and haven’t seen any on the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 The exterior may be a little safe, but I think it’s handsome. The interior is what seems the most dated to me. I’ve seen very few on the road or at dealers - is it an availability issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 11 hours ago, sullynd said: The exterior may be a little safe, but I think it’s handsome. The interior is what seems the most dated to me. I’ve seen very few on the road or at dealers - is it an availability issue? I'm guessing between the strike and Ford slowing down launches to improve quality, they are just hitting the dealerships in the past 45-60 days and are still building them out for dealerships Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 Ford just is t interested in Ranger volume right now. It’s just a filler for MAP. If they wanted volume they’d bring back the Supercab and go for commercial fleet sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRunrGuy Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 1 hour ago, akirby said: Ford just is t interested in Ranger volume right now. It’s just a filler for MAP. If they wanted volume they’d bring back the Supercab and go for commercial fleet sales. It's a conspiracy to keep you from getting the truck you want,,,,, HRG 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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