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1 hour ago, Deanh said:

read into this as you please....hybrid/ EV tech  coming Superduty way?

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F-Series Super Duty Production Expands to Canada, with Future Multi-Energy Technology
Ford Motor Company earlier today made an exciting announcement that we are expanding Super Duty production at our Oakville Assembly Complex in Ontario, starting in 2026. This move initially adds 100,000 units of Super Duty production to meet customer demand. In addition, we shared that we will add multi-energy technology to Super Duty in the future, in support of our electrification plans.

 


Thats what we’ve been discussing the last 5 hours.  Try to keep up.  😂😎

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54 minutes ago, Captainp4 said:

Interested in electrified sooper poopy.... hopefully that means bev and not a hybrid.

Super Duty trucks are used for, well, super duty towing and hauling which is the the use case where BEVs perform poorly. With current battery technology I think it will be a very long time before we see Super Duty BEVs. But, contractors would love a Super Duty with F-150 hybrid design that will provide them with Pro Power Onboard.

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23 minutes ago, akirby said:


Only with a range extender of some kind.

 

Agreed.  I think a BEV Super Duty is a non-starter, at least with the current battery state.  However, a range extender series PIH (similar to the new Ram) is perfect in my opinion.  You have the drivability of a BEV without the range anxiety.  I'll start saving my pennies now!

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1 minute ago, fordmantpw said:

 

Agreed.  I think a BEV Super Duty is a non-starter, at least with the current battery state.  However, a range extender series PIH (similar to the new Ram) is perfect in my opinion.  You have the drivability of a BEV without the range anxiety.  I'll start saving my pennies now!

I'm very skeptical of this. What happens when a contractor's Super Duty is towing a heavy load (say a skid loader) and the battery reaches a depleted state which happens very quickly when towing in BEV mode?

 

Now you are left with a small ranger extender ICE converting mechanical energy to electrical energy (for the battery) and then back to mechanical energy via electric motors. I see that Super Duty (8000+ lbs) towing a 12,000+ trailer limping along with a severely limited amount of power. For contractors time is money and I don't think they would accept that.

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5 minutes ago, Texasota said:

I'm very skeptical of this. What happens when a contractor's Super Duty is towing a heavy load (say a skid loader) and the battery reaches a depleted state which happens very quickly when towing in BEV mode?

 

Now you are left with a small ranger extender ICE converting mechanical energy to electrical energy (for the battery) and then back to mechanical energy via electric motors. I see that Super Duty (8000+ lbs) towing a 12,000+ trailer limping along with a severely limited amount of power. For contractors time is money and I don't think they would accept that.

 

If there is anything Ford knows, it's their truck owners.  They aren't going to produce a product that does what you say.  I have faith in Ford not screwing up the Super Duty.

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1 hour ago, fuzzymoomoo said:

 

 


You guys are reading too much into this. It’s supplemental production because KTP and OHAP are both at capacity and can’t keep up, plus with the added benefit of being a blank slate to add the electrified bits without having to shoehorn it into an existing process. It’s a lot like when FRAP was building Fusions because Hermosillo couldn’t keep up. 

 

Same as when GM reopened Oshawa to build more HD Silverado's and Sierra's.  The BEV/Hybrid SD is a new twist though, but makes sense to set up a new plant to build those varients.  

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2 hours ago, twintornados said:

Great news for Oakville for sure, but lets hope they don't pull production out of Avon Lake to do it.

 

I was thinking that myself.  My hunch is Ford may eventually move SD production out of Avon Lake and dedicate that plant for BEV production.  All the recent expansion to Avon Lake seems to be for BEV's, not SD's.  

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1 hour ago, Andrew L said:

 

I wonder what's going on with the brakes there. Think they have some kind of new technology or setup they are hiding? No way they are going back to drums lol

 

They mentioned it in the article.....speculting it's hub motors.

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1 hour ago, akirby said:


Ford hasn’t committed either way unless it was part of the last minute contract negotiations.  Farley basically said we have to wait and see how things shake out and get input from the workers that haven’t been hired yet.  It’s also complicated because some of it is a joint venture.  I’m sure Ford doesn’t want the UAW especially with the new contract.  But I don’t see how the UAW would let that go without a fight.  My guess is the vehicle factory will be but the battery plant won’t because of the JV.


I haven’t heard anything one way or the other but there’s nothing directly stopping BOC (or the SK j/v battery plants) from joining the union as far as I know. I think they have to vote on it. It was a big issue during the 2023 negotiations, and I think Ford ultimately agreed to let them be part of the master agreement if the workforce there votes to join the union. 

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1 hour ago, fordmantpw said:

 

....I have faith in Ford not screwing up the Super Duty.

 

No worries, they already have!  Recent quality problems are taking a toll.  Great time for a run of bad A/C compressors, for instance.  

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3 hours ago, akirby said:

Electric motors in the wheel hub.

 

The last Ford contact I had was a gal I knew in high school who retired from Ford a few years back.  She was an engineer who worked on EV's.  I saw her at a wedding about that time and we talked cars for a bit.  Retired or not, she was still tight-lipped, but she did tell me she was really impressed with some of the hub motors Ford was working on.  Maybe they're finally ready for prime time.

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Great news for Oakville although there is a couple of years in between.

 

I have also heard what Andrew L has said, that Ford couldn't sell more Expeditions and Navigators because Kentucky Truck Assembly Plant was at capacity, so I wonder if this will help at it. Also if the Expy and Navi are getting hybrids why not move these models to OAP

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2 hours ago, Texasota said:

I'm very skeptical of this. What happens when a contractor's Super Duty is towing a heavy load (say a skid loader) and the battery reaches a depleted state which happens very quickly when towing in BEV mode?

 

Now you are left with a small ranger extender ICE converting mechanical energy to electrical energy (for the battery) and then back to mechanical energy via electric motors. I see that Super Duty (8000+ lbs) towing a 12,000+ trailer limping along with a severely limited amount of power. For contractors time is money and I don't think they would accept that.


That’s not how it would work.  It would run from the get go in tow haul mode and would slow down the battery drain by at least 50%.  So instead of 150 miles range you get 250 or more before needing to recharge.  It’s still not going to go all day or tow bulldozers though.

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Scaling back EV plans in favor of making more high emissions super duties? Can you imagine how pissed that guy named Rprev or whatever would be if he was still here? Half these responses would be him saying "This is it, Ford's doomed now, the cybertruck is gonna be the new best selling truck" 😆

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5 hours ago, SoonerLS said:

I thought all along that the 6.8 was an ideal entry point for a hybrid Super Duty. It’s enough engine to carry the mail on its own, but if you pair it with some torquey electric motors, you’ve really got something. 

I remember when Ford apparently talked about putting that engine in the f-150/mustang, but years have passed without any news that I've seen. Imagine if Ford makes a 6.8 hybrid and offers it not just in the super duty, but the f-150 as well. That would be insane. 

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5 minutes ago, Trader 10 said:

Two years before Oakville is producing Super Dutys?? If demand supports production of another 100,000/year, Ford is losing a billion$/year if each Super Duty generates 

$10,000 in profit as has been reported, if Memory serves correct. 


But they probably won’t be ready to produce for another year or two.  These are new vehicles.

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1 hour ago, Trader 10 said:

Two years before Oakville is producing Super Dutys?? If demand supports production of another 100,000/year, Ford is losing a billion$/year if each Super Duty generates 

$10,000 in profit as has been reported, if Memory serves correct. 

 

That's a very good point you have brought up.  I don't think 100,000 additional Super Duty sales is at all a realistic forecast.  Which is why I think Oakville is being set up to replace Avon Lake as the second Super Duty plant.  All the recent improvents and expansion to Avon Lake has been to support BEV production, not trucks.  It would make sense to make Avon Lake exclusively BEV passenger vehicles and retool Oakdale for Super Duty trucks.  And, while Oakville is being retooled, add the capability to produce hybrid and BEV versions without disrupting current production.  Looking at it that way makes a lot of sense.   

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18 hours ago, Oac98 said:

It is good news as Heavy Duty pick ups will be some of the last to be electrified. I believe the 3 row BEV goes to Mexico on GE2 platform. I seen a picture of the frame of the three row but I cannot post it here as I don’t want to get fired. It is long and low swooping roof like Lincoln Star concept I don’t think it’s horrible and looks better than that tarp picture that was seen.

The three row could perhaps go to Flat Rock where it was first intended to go before it was allocated to OHAP and then OAC.  I know FRAP needs a new paint shop, but that was in the plans until it was cancelled immediately after the 2019 UAW contract was ratified. 

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